Achilles in Vietnam by Jonathan Shay On Killing by Dave Grossman What It is Like to Go to War by Karl Marlantes Military Neuropsychology by Carrie H. Dive deep into Jonathan Shay’s Achilles in Vietnam with extended analysis, commentary, and discussion. Jonathan Shay’s Achilles in Vietnam and Odysseus in. America. Richard Blucher, Department of International Studies, The Norwegian Military Academy, PO Box.

Author: Moogusho Nidal
Country: Guyana
Language: English (Spanish)
Genre: Travel
Published (Last): 3 June 2016
Pages: 359
PDF File Size: 10.37 Mb
ePub File Size: 1.99 Mb
ISBN: 160-5-24052-127-1
Downloads: 22064
Price: Free* [*Free Regsitration Required]
Uploader: Voodoolrajas

Sensitive, eloquent and full of profound revelations, this book altered my own view on PTSD and gave me a new appreciation for Homer. As technology advances we continually distance ourselves more and more from the enemy, to the point where it is almost becoming like a computer game. During the course of shsy man’s year with Delta Company, it suffered more than percent casualties, taking replacements into account. At the level of grand strategy in Vietnam, the United States had been defeated, and yet American soldiers had won every battle.

It is a must read for those wanting some answers for the causes and impact of Post Trauma effects. HomerJudith HermanCharles Figley. When I had said it, he smiled in a not very jonatban way and drew his finger across his throat. I cannot recommend it highly enough.

We shall hear this man’s voice and the voices of other combat veterans many times in these pages.

But the basic truths say war, if not necessarily the precise techniques of battle or the exact people in battle, remain the same from Troy to Homer to our own time. This book is a tour de force of psychological analysis and literary criticism. A rock-solid read overlapping the Iliad with the Vietnam War and how, throughout history, combat soldiers have been dealt the burden of PTSD as a byproduct of war, beginning with his analysis of Homer’s Achilles to which, Shay says, his loss of character after the death of Patroclus, is the ultimate tragedy of this most classic work.

However, many men experienced a deep malaise that their concepts of victory, of strength embodied in fire superiority and often in great local numerical superiority, somehow didn’t fit, were futile.

Achilles In Vietnam

You just have to wade through all of the dry psychology text and read very carefully with purpose to understand its message. Learn how war damages the mind and spirit, and jonaathan to change those things in military institutions and culture that needlessly create or worsen these injuries.


The Iliad reminds us that military and political leaders have not always been thousands of miles away from the war zone. I seen this NVA soldier at a distance. For some it was attractive as an expression of patriotic and jonatban idealism, often understood to be equivalent to anti-Communism: We moved down, across Highway One along the beach line, and it took us [until] about viernam or four o’clock in the morning to get on line while these people are unloading their boats.

But Shay examines the close bonds forged between soldiers achikles the crucible of war recognizable to anyone who has read All Quiet on the Western Front and concludes that “Achilles’ grief for Patroklos would not have been greater had they been a sexual couple, nor less if they had not been. Fighting a war on the ground requires quick thinking and a willingness to do things on the jonathaan of the moment, however the chain of command does not allow the soldier to do this. Aug 07, Beth rated it really liked it.

There were times when we’d rather use their weapons than our own. This may sound like a child complaining, “It’s not fair! Recommended to David by: Vietnam was where it was happening, and in the Marines everybody went to Vietnam.

Achilles in Vietnam: Combat Trauma and the Undoing of Character by Jonathan Shay

The customer pays the company money, and it is expected that the customer continue to pay the company money, however it is not the manager’s job to take the call. Magers and Quinn Booksellers Condition: In that process I have become convinced that it is the deconstruction of the sense of self that leads to vietnsm damage of the soul so evident with Vietnam and I have no doubt Afghanistan and Iraq veterans and this xchilles confirms that view.

Jonathan Shay born [1] [2] is a doctor and clinical psychiatrist. They did, however, have the freedom to withdraw emotionally and mentally from hsay beyond their small circle of combat-proven comrades. Scribner October Length: Dec 05, Ryan rated it it was amazing. In other projects Wikiquote. When somebody once coined the phrase I cannot remember who shy was but I believe it was some American General in World War II War is Hell, he wasn’t kidding, and the testimonies that we are told from the Vietnam Vets who had agreed shared their stories go a long way to demonstrate this.

Jonathan Shay – Wikipedia

View all 3 comments. Aren’t terror, shock, horror, and grief at the death of friends trauma enough? Civilians and noncombat veterans often equate complaints about military life to adolescent whining because of the unexamined assumption that its injustices are always of this low-stakes variety. Shay believes that the stigma associated with grief and the lack of social support for soldiers during the Vietnam War and after it led to a high incidence of PTSD.

  AL2 24MR PDF

Spine creases, wear to binding and pages from reading.

Achilles in Vietnam: Combat Trauma and the Undoing of Character

Quotes from Achilles in Vietn As I suggested, I am not a combat veteran and I found this book very hard going myself, acholles in a way, reading this book avhilles brought about flashbacks from my past, and I would hardly say that I suffer from PTSD or have had vietnaj hard life compared to many others in our society.

And statistics support the troops’ suspicion. The veteran quoted above continues, I had a lieutenant who I loved. These feelings reflect not only outrage at the heartless wrong-headedness of such remarks but also a concept of victory in war that left Vietnam veterans bewildered. I have also seen instances where beratting employees with the belief that that creates a better employee is used. The decision on who was going to do it was so carefree, so carefree, yeah.

Using the Iliad as a metaphor for war, Shay passionately yet clinically portrays the ongoing impact of Vietnam on the soldiers we sent there. We get so caught up with jojathan to create better people by hammering them for their mistakes, that we actually are blind to the damage that is being done to that person. If we ignore Achilles in Vietnam and its implications for tragedy, comedy, and every other genre of literature, we run the risk of continuing to be baffled by the obvious.

As I read through this book the nagging feeling that kept gnawing away at me was whether the United States, in the way that they run their army as one would run a corporation, can really expect to be able to win a modern war.

This book makes the argument that the most profound impact of war is its capacity to transform typical, innocent young men into monsters who do not care for anyone. Very eye opening for me.